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===Logan Rental Contract Dispute===
 
===Logan Rental Contract Dispute===
  
:You rent a house in the Logan neighborhood with six of your friends. It’s an old house, that could really use some care, but you are a college student, and it’s really cheap to live there. You sign the lease in September, and move in the 1st of June.  
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:You rent a house in the Logan neighborhood with six of your friends in the Fall of 2020. It’s an old house, that could really use some care, but you are a college student, and it’s really cheap to live there. You sign the lease on behalf of the group in May based on pictures of the rooms. In addition to rent, you pay a $3000 security deposit.  Some of the previous tenants sublet through the summer from people in your group.  You all move in in September.  
  
:However, some of the old tenants subleased from your friends over the summer. Because of this odd transition between tenants, when you and your friends took over the lease, the landlord did not do an exit walkthrough with the previous tenants, did nothing to house to repair the damages incurred, and did not make them clean out all the furniture, pots and pans and miscellaneous items from the house. There was a tacit understanding between the landlord “Mike” and the seven of you, that the house was in terrible shape, and would continue to be this way throughout your renting period, despite your feeble attempts to spruce things up.  
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:The lease requires you to remove all personal property at the end of your stay, but you were never very formal with the sublets and it is already unclear who's stuff is being left behind. Before you move in, you mention to the landlord, Mike, that there seems to be stuff from previous tenants in the house.  He tells you not to worry about it, use anything you find, but don't add to add it. There is also some damage to rooms that did not show up in the pictures your friends took when you leased the house. The landlord kind of shrugs about that and implies that "that's kind of the deal."
  
:When you signed the lease, you had no knowledge of the amount of miscellaneous junk in the house, as when you toured it, there were people living in it. Nevertheless, you move in and use some of the items that seemingly come with the house.  Most of it is junk.  
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:After about six months of living in the house, you renew the lease with Mike. But then things get complicated because Mike sells the house to another landlord. You never really meet the new landlordThere is no walk through or discussion about the stuff left behind by years of students and Mike's laid back (or negligent) approach to things.
  
:After about six months of living in the house, you renew the lease with Mike.  
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:Your experience with the new landlord was not great.  He’s just pretty cold and business like when he does show up, and he doesn't show up often. He just didn’t respond much to existing problems with the house or new problems (some pipes leak and are staining interior walls, for example).
  
:Things get complicated when Mike sells the house to another landlord. The new landlord also does not do any kind of walk-through of the house assessing damage and they have inherited both you as tenants, and the lease that you signed with Mike. However, they apparently did not inherit the tacit understanding that you had with Mike about the condition of the house.   
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:You graduate, and when you prepare to move out, the new landlord, Darth, demands that you pay to have all the junk in the house removed (a cost of $1200) even though most of it does not belong to you or your group. He also claims that you were negligent by either causing or not reporting problems or existing damage and that has led to further damages (the water leak, but also a banister that was weak has now completely fallen apart, for example). He figures the cost of this at about $1800. Consequently, he is now planning to keep your $3000 security deposit.  You point out the understanding you had with Mike about both the junk and the damages, but Darth just points out the requirements of the lease, which also obligate you to report damages. He doesn't consider Mike's "understanding" with you as binding on him, but he agrees to meet with you to discuss it.   
  
:Your experience with the new landlord was not great.  He just didn’t respond much to concerns and problems with the house, and he didn’t appreciate some efforts you and your housemates made to get the yard into shape.  He’s just pretty cold and business like when he does show up.
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:You are about to meet the landlord to discuss this issue.  What position will you take?  What is a fair outcome for this situation?  How do you assess the obligations and duties of the varies parties?  Be sure to use some of the concepts we have developed for discussing fairness and justice in contracts: fairness, autonomy, reciprocity, benefits, reliance, implicit and explicit agreements and understandings.
 
 
:You graduate, and when you try to move out, the new landlord demands that you pay to have all the junk in the house removed, even though it does not belong to you, and you do not in fact know if it even belongs to the earlier tenants. The landlord demands that you pay $1200 to pay for a junk removal service and repair damages.
 
 
 
:Your friend Mary does not think you should have to pay to remove previous tenants’ junk. Period.  Your friend John thinks that you should take at least some responsibility for the condition of the house and all the things in it, and that you and your friends should split the cost with the landlords, each party paying $600.  Your partner wonders if maybe you are liable for the whole costs.
 
 
 
:You are about to meet the landlord to discuss this issue.  What position will you take?  What is a fair outcome for this situation?  Be sure to use some of the concepts we have developed for discussing fairness and justice in contracts: fairness, autonomy, reciprocity, benefits, reliance, implicit and explicit agreements and understandings.
 

Revision as of 17:13, 19 August 2021

Logan Rental Contract Dispute

You rent a house in the Logan neighborhood with six of your friends in the Fall of 2020. It’s an old house, that could really use some care, but you are a college student, and it’s really cheap to live there. You sign the lease on behalf of the group in May based on pictures of the rooms. In addition to rent, you pay a $3000 security deposit. Some of the previous tenants sublet through the summer from people in your group. You all move in in September.
The lease requires you to remove all personal property at the end of your stay, but you were never very formal with the sublets and it is already unclear who's stuff is being left behind. Before you move in, you mention to the landlord, Mike, that there seems to be stuff from previous tenants in the house. He tells you not to worry about it, use anything you find, but don't add to add it. There is also some damage to rooms that did not show up in the pictures your friends took when you leased the house. The landlord kind of shrugs about that and implies that "that's kind of the deal."
After about six months of living in the house, you renew the lease with Mike. But then things get complicated because Mike sells the house to another landlord. You never really meet the new landlord. There is no walk through or discussion about the stuff left behind by years of students and Mike's laid back (or negligent) approach to things.
Your experience with the new landlord was not great. He’s just pretty cold and business like when he does show up, and he doesn't show up often. He just didn’t respond much to existing problems with the house or new problems (some pipes leak and are staining interior walls, for example).
You graduate, and when you prepare to move out, the new landlord, Darth, demands that you pay to have all the junk in the house removed (a cost of $1200) even though most of it does not belong to you or your group. He also claims that you were negligent by either causing or not reporting problems or existing damage and that has led to further damages (the water leak, but also a banister that was weak has now completely fallen apart, for example). He figures the cost of this at about $1800. Consequently, he is now planning to keep your $3000 security deposit. You point out the understanding you had with Mike about both the junk and the damages, but Darth just points out the requirements of the lease, which also obligate you to report damages. He doesn't consider Mike's "understanding" with you as binding on him, but he agrees to meet with you to discuss it.
You are about to meet the landlord to discuss this issue. What position will you take? What is a fair outcome for this situation? How do you assess the obligations and duties of the varies parties? Be sure to use some of the concepts we have developed for discussing fairness and justice in contracts: fairness, autonomy, reciprocity, benefits, reliance, implicit and explicit agreements and understandings.