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==11: OCT 5 (Heavy reading day)==
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==10: OCT 05 ==
  
 
===Assigned===
 
===Assigned===
  
:*Haidt, Chapter 5, "Beyond WEIRD Morality" (17)
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:*Waller, Bruce. Chapter 2. "The Basic Argument against Moral Responsibility," Against Moral Responsibility (23) (Dionicio/Scott)
:*Henrich, Joe. Prelude and Chapter 1, "WEIRD Psychology" from ''The WEIRDEST People in the World'' (1-37)
 
  
===In-class Topics===
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===Waller, Bruce. Chapter 2. "The Basic Argument against Moral Responsibility," Against Moral Responsibility===
  
:*Method Point: Adding the "Cultural Frame"
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:*This chapter gives a more detailed account of Waller's "fairness argument"
:*The Paradox of Moral Experience
 
  
===Initial debrief on SW1===
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:*Framing the argument: p.20: MR requires supernaturalism.  MR incompatible with naturalism/determinism.
  
:*I will be sharing scoring and comments from SW1 this afternoonWe will then start the final stage of the assignment: the back-evaluation.
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:*Note the reconstruction of Dennett's view: naturalists who believe in limited MR"MR skepticism arises from misplaced search for an absolute ideal: total before-the-eyes-of-God guilt.
  
:*Some patterns:
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:*Waller: naturalists should be incompatibalists and reject MRBut Dennett will disagree.
::*High and low scoring writing follow the rubricStill a good guide for you.
 
::*A surprising number of authors neglected any mention of Sapolsky. 
 
::*Lower scoring writing:
 
:::*Tended to organize content by Haidt's chapters.
 
:::*Less likely to follow protocol for research.
 
:::*More likely not to use any paragraph structure.
 
:::*Less prompt savvy.
 
::*Higher scoring writing:
 
:::*Choose some of the most relevant research.
 
:::*Reported more research, using at least some of the protocol.
 
  
:*Some grade norming issues.  From my assessment, we didn't quite norm of 5's as "good job".  More like 6s.  I dropped more 10s than normal.   
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:*PVI: MR requires libertarian break in causal fabric.   
  
:*My goal: Continue to support authors writing 13-14, but very interested in raising the 8s! 
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:*'''Comparative Unfairness''' 23
:*Advice: The learning from SW1 isn't over.  You have access to dozens of examples of scored and commented writing now.  Make some comparisons.  Pick up some tips.  '''Come in to discuss your writing!'''
 
  
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::*Karen and Louise: Karen calls out the racist remark, Louise doesn't. four possibilites:
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:::*1. chance
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:::*2. first causes
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:::*3. situational
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:::*4. they were shaped by forces beyond their control.
  
===Haidt, Chapter 5, "Beyond WEIRD Morality"===
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:*(p. 26: It seems like he is saying that to account for "effort" you need miracles....?)
  
:*WEIRD morality is the morality of Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic cultures
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:*(Karen and Louise really present a version of Strawson's argument a comparative form to see "unfairness". This is a pretty good innovation, regardless of our views of the issue.)
::*just as likely to be bothered by taboo violations, but more likely to set aside feelings of disgust and allow violations
 
::*only group with majority allowing chicken story violation.
 
::*"the weirder you are the more likely you are to see the world in terms of separate objects, rather than relationships" (Analytic vs. Holistic in Henrich C1) "sociocentric" moralities vs. individualistic moralities; Enlightenment moralities of Kant and Mill are rationalist, individualist, and universalist. 
 
::*survey data on East/West differences in sentence completion: "I am..." (also in Henrich C1)
 
::*framed-line task 97
 
:*Kantian and Millian ethical thought is rationalist, rule based, and universalist.  Just the ethical theory you would expect from the culture.  (Hmm. So now we discover that some of our "tools" are culturally specific. Is this a problem?)
 
  
:*A 3 channel moral matrix - or, How should we theorize (locate) our view in the larger world of human moralities?
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:*(p. 27: note inference: Because we are the products of evolution, we cannot be ultimately responsible for how we are. Try this (Dennett’s) version: Evolution gave us agential capacities for avoiding certain outcomes that make us moderately responsible (mr, not MR) for some of our behaviors.) p. 27 "intermediate self-making"
:*Schweder's anthropology: ethics of autonomy, community, divinity 99-100 - gloss each...
 
::*claims Schweder's theory predicts responses on taboo violation tests, is descriptively accurate.
 
::*ethic of divinity: body as temple vs. playground. (Note: not religiosity or even spirituality, but often is.) Vegetarian eating is "clean" eating, not just because of fewer pathogens.
 
::*Vertical dimension to values.  Explains reactions to flag desecration, piss Christ, thought exp: desecration of liberal icons.  (Note connection to contemporary conflicts, such as the Charlie Hebdot massacre.)
 
  
:*Making Sense of Moral/Cultural Difference
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:*Mele's criticism of Strawson's Basic Argument:  MR doesn't require us to have "chosen" the way we are. Strawson commits us to an impossible psychological regress. Rather, practical freedom is an emergent property (description at 30). Example of Betty and her fear of the basement.  "intentional self-modification" (ISM) is possible. '''Mele stops the regress!'''   
:*'''Haidt's Bhubaneswar experience''': diverse (intense) continua of moral values related to purity. (opposite of disgust). Confusing at first, but notice that he started to like his hosts (elephant) and then started to think about how their values might work. Stop and think about how a mind might create this.  Detail about airline passenger.
 
:*Theorizing with Paul Rozin on the right model for thinking about moral foundations: "Our theory, in brief" (103) - most societies see a vertical dimension in social spaceman who robs a bank vs. child sex traffickers
 
:*American politics often about sense of "sacrilege", not just about defining rights (autonomy). Not just harm, but types of moral disgust.
 
:*'''Stepping out of the Matrix''': H's metaphor for seeing his own cultural moral values as more "contingent" than before, when it felt like the natural advocacy of what seem true and right.  Reports growing self awareness of liberal orientation of intellectual culture in relation to Schweder's view.  Social conservatives made more sense to him after studying in India.
 
  
===Small Group Discussion===
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:*Waller: (uses his "unfairness" framing device).  Imagine Betty and Benji.  Benji fails at ISM.  Is it unfair to blame him?  (Let's pause on this and consider other cases beside fear of basements or becoming racists.)
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<HR>
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::*(Is fairness working the same way in the following cases?  How does your model of the "normally competent person" and "effort" come into play?)
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:::*Overcoming a phobia.
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:::*Becoming aware of one's racism or bias.
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:::*Overcoming an angry impulse to hit someone.  to murder someone. 
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:::*Overcoming a brutally abusive childhood and
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:::*Overcoming a significant disability.  (In fairness, we pay people to compensate them for some disabilities.)
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<HR>
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:*research on "cognitive misers" vs. "chronic cognizers". 
  
:* Haidt introduces the “Cultural Frame” with the move metaphor of “The Matrix”.  Cultures include family and kin, cultures of origin, and national cultures.
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:*Kane's Libertarianismdual control responsibility.
:*'''Questions:'''Does it make sense to talk about "stepping out of a matrix"?  Perhaps you have had this experience within US culture as you moved from family culture or the culture of your hometown to collegeOr from international travel. Do you have a parallel story to Haidt's? Share with each other some details of the “cultural frames” you inhabit.
 
  
===Henrich, "WEIRD Psychology," from The Weirdest People on Earth"===
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:*Waller's "unfairness" framing device again. Betty and Barbara
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<hr>
  
:*Prelude: Your Brain has been modified by culture
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:*Some critical thoughts.
  
::*Example of how reading alters brains"Literacy thus provides an example of how culture can change people biologically independent of any genetic differences."
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:*Criticism of the "fairness" argument.   
::*Literacy in Western Europe - Protestantism requires literacy"sola scriptura"
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::*1.
::*Showing causal relationship with "quasi-experimental" method "For every 100 km traveled from Wittenberg, percentage of Protestants dropped 10%. Like a "dosage".
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:::*Waller makes a pretty straightforward claim in his fairness arguments.  If we're not ultimately responsible for our differences, then it is never fair to judge us differently.  But is that how we really think of fairness in actually situationsConsider cases:
::*Also seen in literacy rates of Catholic and Prot missionaries to Africa: Protestant missions produce more literacy.   
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:::*Would a workplace wellness program be unfair because it takes different employees more or less effort to meet the goals and get the rewards? (not a blame scenario)
:*Point of his book, “The WEIRDEST People in the World,”: WEIRD psychology is the result of a set of cultural adaptations promoted by the Christian church.
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:::*Within a cohort of similarly talented competitors (swimmers), would it be unfair to praise a winner if we found some small difference that the winner had over others?  (Note that in some cases we do say it is unfair -- a new swimsuit design maybe?) But always?
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:::*You go to grad school and you notice that some of the people in your cohort have been studying philosophy in 4 languages for about 3 times the time you have been reading in oneDo you go to the Dean and complain that it is unfair to compare you to them?
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:::*Joe and Bill have slightly different degrees of alcoholism, but both get DUIs.  Do we need to calibrate the penalties to track this possible difference in culpability?
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:::*I'm not sure our fairness judgements really involved the kind of '''ideal standards''' that we actually use in making things "fair enough".  Practical judgements of fairness might be just even if they operate with "ranges" and "normal performance expectations"
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:::*In general, you could say Waller's critique requires the "ultimate/absolute" language.  Moderate intentional self-modification is pretty plausible, even if it cannot be traced to absolute .
  
:*Chapter 1: WEIRD Psychology
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::*2.
 
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:::*A second line of critical thought, still pretty inchoate, is that much of the MR scepticism literature focuses on a "deep dive" into the "self".  If we don't find the kind of "self-making" they are looking for, could it be because the model of self is wrong?  (A clue: Waller has trouble imagining a naturalistic account of effort.)
:*WEIRD: individualistic, self-obsessed, control-oriented, nonconformist, and analytical.  Tends to look for universal categories, analytic. patient, takes plesure in hard work, sticks to imparial rules or principles, guilt vs. shame
 
 
 
:*Major Claim: WEIRD psychology is a product of 600-1000 years of the Catholic Church's modification of our psychology through its "Marriage and Family Plan". 
 
 
 
:*Research
 
::*"Who Am I? task by culture 25
 
::*Mapping the Individualism Complex.
 
:::*Examples of more kin based cutlures on MR: Might be obligated to avenge a murder, prohibited from marrying a stranger.  Contrast on p. 28.  In the Ind. World "everyone is shopping for better relationships." (Hofstede's scale for measuring ind/socio)
 
:::*Note Caveats to this research on p. 31. 
 
 
 
::*Cultivating the WEIRD self
 
:::*Research showing Inds. cultivate "consistency across relationships" vs. kin-based "consistency within relationships.
 
:::*Dispositionalism - seeing people's behavior as anchored impersonal traits that influence actions across contexts. The Fundamental Attribution Error (33) is a bias of WEIRD people. 
 
:::*Guilt vs. Shame
 
:::*Conformity - Solom Asch's experiments in which confederates give incorrect answers to test conformity.
 
:::*"Discounting" as a measure of patience
 
:::*Impersonal Honesty -- UN Diplomats research, Impersonal Honesty Game (results at p. 44)
 
:::*Universalism and Non-relationalism -- Passengers Dilemma
 
:::*Trusting Strangers - GTQ instrument.  impersonal trust vs. trust in relationship based networks.
 
:::*Impersonal prosociality - correlated with national wealth, better government, less corruption, faster innovation. 
 
:::*Obsessed with intentions -- Bob/Rob and Andy story.  Barrett and Laurence research.  Indep. research on Japanese (less focused on intentions)
 
:::*Analytic vs. Holistic thinking.  Triad Task.  abstract rule-based vs. functional relationship.  Possible that even some of the Mapuche's "analytic" answers had holistic reasoningpig/dog pig/husks.  Also, attention and memory studies: East Asians remember background/context better that WEIRD people.  Americans track the center of attention. 
 
 
 
::*WEIRD also have great endowment effect, overestimate our talents, self-enhance, enjoy making choices.
 
::*Summary table on p. 56.  See bot of p. 57 for a look ahead at the argument he is making about the cultural influence of the Catholic Church.
 
 
 
===Point on Method in the Course===
 
 
 
:*A way of framing the research we are reviewing:  Three Frames:
 
::*1. '''The Individual Frame'''  Differences and Structures in our individual psychology for expression moral behaviors. Intuitions vs. Reasoning.  Life experiences.
 
::*2. '''The Group/Political Frame''' How our psychology makes us groupish.  Physio-politics.
 
::*3. '''The Cultural Frame''' Differences between cultures, including, for example the remarkable emergence of WEIRD culture.  (Joe Henrich, The Weirdest People on Earth) literacy and the brain, Christianity as a driver of culture, catholic church as driver of cultural ideas (the Marriage and Family Plan, impersonal honesty and sociality, etc.)
 
 
 
:*Big question from today: How does the cultural frame complicate ethics?
 
 
 
==='''Paradox of Moral Experience'''===
 
::*The Paradox of Moral Experience involves a conflict between two "standpoints" for seeing values. 1 and 2 below:
 
 
 
::*1. We '''experience our morality''' as beliefs we hold true. They are compelling to us in a way that leads us to expect others to find them compelling. We can be surprised or frustrated that others do not see our reasons as compelling.  From this standpoint, our moral truths feel necessary rather than contingent. 
 
:::*Examples: "What's wrong with those (lib/con)s, don't they see X/Y?" "How can anyone think it's ok to act like that?")
 
 
 
::*2. But, when we '''study morality as a functional system''' that integrates people who see and interpret the world differently, it is less surprising that we often do not find each others' reasoning or choices compelling.  We can also see how groups of people might develop "values cultures" that diverge on entire sets of values (or, "cooperative toolkits") while still solving some of the same underlying problems that all human societies face.  From this standpoint, the functions of morality are universal, but the specific strategies that individuals and cultures take seem very contingent. But, knowing this, why don’t we experience our own values as contingent?
 
 
 
:::*Examples: Sociocentric / Individualist cultures, Specific histories that groups experience (Us vs. Europe vs. ...)
 
::*Roughly, 1 is normal experience, when you are "in your head".  2 reflects an attempt, through knowledge, to get a "third person" experience, to "get out of your head".
 

Revision as of 21:34, 5 October 2022

10: OCT 05

Assigned

  • Waller, Bruce. Chapter 2. "The Basic Argument against Moral Responsibility," Against Moral Responsibility (23) (Dionicio/Scott)

Waller, Bruce. Chapter 2. "The Basic Argument against Moral Responsibility," Against Moral Responsibility

  • This chapter gives a more detailed account of Waller's "fairness argument".
  • Framing the argument: p.20: MR requires supernaturalism. MR incompatible with naturalism/determinism.
  • Note the reconstruction of Dennett's view: naturalists who believe in limited MR. "MR skepticism arises from misplaced search for an absolute ideal: total before-the-eyes-of-God guilt.
  • Waller: naturalists should be incompatibalists and reject MR. But Dennett will disagree.
  • PVI: MR requires libertarian break in causal fabric.
  • Comparative Unfairness 23
  • Karen and Louise: Karen calls out the racist remark, Louise doesn't. four possibilites:
  • 1. chance
  • 2. first causes
  • 3. situational
  • 4. they were shaped by forces beyond their control.
  • (p. 26: It seems like he is saying that to account for "effort" you need miracles....?)
  • (Karen and Louise really present a version of Strawson's argument a comparative form to see "unfairness". This is a pretty good innovation, regardless of our views of the issue.)
  • (p. 27: note inference: Because we are the products of evolution, we cannot be ultimately responsible for how we are. Try this (Dennett’s) version: Evolution gave us agential capacities for avoiding certain outcomes that make us moderately responsible (mr, not MR) for some of our behaviors.) p. 27 "intermediate self-making"
  • Mele's criticism of Strawson's Basic Argument: MR doesn't require us to have "chosen" the way we are. Strawson commits us to an impossible psychological regress. Rather, practical freedom is an emergent property (description at 30). Example of Betty and her fear of the basement. "intentional self-modification" (ISM) is possible. Mele stops the regress!
  • Waller: (uses his "unfairness" framing device). Imagine Betty and Benji. Benji fails at ISM. Is it unfair to blame him? (Let's pause on this and consider other cases beside fear of basements or becoming racists.)

  • (Is fairness working the same way in the following cases? How does your model of the "normally competent person" and "effort" come into play?)
  • Overcoming a phobia.
  • Becoming aware of one's racism or bias.
  • Overcoming an angry impulse to hit someone. to murder someone.
  • Overcoming a brutally abusive childhood and
  • Overcoming a significant disability. (In fairness, we pay people to compensate them for some disabilities.)

  • research on "cognitive misers" vs. "chronic cognizers".
  • Kane's Libertarianism. dual control responsibility.
  • Waller's "unfairness" framing device again. Betty and Barbara

  • Some critical thoughts.
  • Criticism of the "fairness" argument.
  • 1.
  • Waller makes a pretty straightforward claim in his fairness arguments. If we're not ultimately responsible for our differences, then it is never fair to judge us differently. But is that how we really think of fairness in actually situations. Consider cases:
  • Would a workplace wellness program be unfair because it takes different employees more or less effort to meet the goals and get the rewards? (not a blame scenario)
  • Within a cohort of similarly talented competitors (swimmers), would it be unfair to praise a winner if we found some small difference that the winner had over others? (Note that in some cases we do say it is unfair -- a new swimsuit design maybe?) But always?
  • You go to grad school and you notice that some of the people in your cohort have been studying philosophy in 4 languages for about 3 times the time you have been reading in one. Do you go to the Dean and complain that it is unfair to compare you to them?
  • Joe and Bill have slightly different degrees of alcoholism, but both get DUIs. Do we need to calibrate the penalties to track this possible difference in culpability?
  • I'm not sure our fairness judgements really involved the kind of ideal standards that we actually use in making things "fair enough". Practical judgements of fairness might be just even if they operate with "ranges" and "normal performance expectations"
  • In general, you could say Waller's critique requires the "ultimate/absolute" language. Moderate intentional self-modification is pretty plausible, even if it cannot be traced to absolute .
  • 2.
  • A second line of critical thought, still pretty inchoate, is that much of the MR scepticism literature focuses on a "deep dive" into the "self". If we don't find the kind of "self-making" they are looking for, could it be because the model of self is wrong? (A clue: Waller has trouble imagining a naturalistic account of effort.)