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:*Waller, Bruce. Chapter 2. "The Basic Argument against Moral Responsibility," Against Moral Responsibility (23) (Dionicio/Scott)
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:*Hibbing, John R., Kevin Smith, and John R. Alford, ''Predisposed'', Chapter 2, "Getting Into Bedrock with Politics". (26)
  
===Waller, Bruce. Chapter 2. "The Basic Argument against Moral Responsibility," Against Moral Responsibility===
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===Hibbing, et. al. ''Predisposed'' Chapter 2===
  
:*This chapter gives a more detailed account of Waller's "fairness argument".   
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:*Begins with allegations that universities are left-biased.  Points out counterexample in Russell.  Students can be more radical than even lefty faculty. City college story.  34ff: ironically its most lasting intellectual movement was neoconservatism.
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::*Point of story:
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:::*1) Colleges' political orientations have little predictable effect on their students. (Think about this in relationship to Gonzaga.)
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:::*2) Politics and political beliefs are fungible, change dep on time and place.  No discussions these days of Stalin-Trotskyism.  Or ADA, which conservatisms opposed. True, issues and labels change, but, acc to Hibbing et al, humans vary in orientation, politics is, at its core, dealing with a constant problem, invariable.  Found in "bedrock social dilemmas" (BSDs).   
  
:*Framing the argument: p.20: MR requires supernaturalismMR incompatible with naturalism/determinism.
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:*Back to Aristotle
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::* "Man" is by nature political.  -- Politics deep in our nature. But A also speculated that town life, while natural, was not original.  An achievement of sorts, not wholly natural. 
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::*Evidence: GWAS (Gene wide association studies) studies suggest more influence from gene difference on political orientation than economic prefs.
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::*Politics and Mating: Political orientation is one of the top correlate predicting mate selection.  (39). We do look for diff personality traits in a partner, but not when it comes to pol orientation (or drinking behavior and religion!).   Considers two objections: mates become similar over time or the correlation is an effect of the selection pool "social homogamy"  But no sign of convergence of orientation over time of relationship (but views on gender roles tend to diverge! ''Nota bene''!)Studies controlling for demographic factors undermine second objection.
  
:*Note the reconstruction of Dennett's view: naturalists who believe in limited MR. "MR skepticism arises from misplaced search for an absolute ideal: total before-the-eyes-of-God guilt.
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::*Politics is connected to willingness to punish political difference. (Which helps explain our sensitivity to "political prosecution".) 40-41.
  
:*Waller: naturalists should be incompatibalists and reject MRBut Dennett will disagree.
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:*Differences Galore?
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::*Need to separate issues, labels, and bedrock social dilemmas.
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::*'''Issues''' arise naturally in the society, but can also be "promoted" by actors and parties. 
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::*'''Labels''' distinguish groups contesting issues.  They organize approaches to issues by orientation.  Practically, political parties do this, but also media.  Labels and parties shift over time, presumably as they compete for voters (or, "package them".) 
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::*”Labels are simply the vocabulary employed to describe the reasonably systematic orientations toward issues that float around a polity at a given time.” 41
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::*Label "liberal" - today means mildly libertarian, but liberal economic policy isn't libertarian at all (involves income transfer)Mentions historical origin of Left/Right. Generally, liberals are more about equality and tolerance, but communists can be authoritarian.  Generally, conservatives focus on authority, hierarchy, and order (more than libs), but they often defend rights in ways that make common cause with liberals (protections from the gov't, free speech). 
  
:*PVI: MR requires libertarian break in causal fabric.
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::*Conclusion they are resisting: (43): political beliefs are so multidimensional and variable that left and right don't have any stable meaning. '''Ideology is fluid, but there are universals''' (regarding BSDs).  
  
:*'''Comparative Unfairness''' 23
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:*Commonality Reigns! Political Universals
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::*Bedrock social dilemmas (BSD): "core preferences about the organization, structure, and conduct of mass social life" 44
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::*BSDS: leadership, decision-making, resource distribution, punishment, protection, and orientation to tradition vs change.
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::*Questions associated with BSDs: How should we make decisions? What rules to follow? What do we do with rule violators? Should we try something new or stick with tradition?
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::*Predispositions defined: political orientations that are biologically instantiated.  these differences are more stable than labels and issues.
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::*Example of conceptual framework at work:  attitudes toward military intervention.  tells the story of changing conservative views of intervention, Lindbergh and the AFC.  Late 20th century conservatives were interventionists (commie domino theory), but early century conservatives were isolationists.  These changes make sense in relation to the bedrock challenge of dealing with external threats.  Shifting analysis of threats can change policy 180 degrees.  48: Pearl Harbor!
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::*Example 2: Conservatives softening  on immigration after electoral defeats in 2012. Early politics leading to DACA?  Conservatives still consistently more suspicious of out groups.  (heightened threat detection)
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::*Note the possibilities: Same view of issue, different ideologies expressing different orientations (Vietnam).  Same orientation expressed in different ideologies and different positions on issues (Conservative isolationism before/after Pearl Harbor). 
  
::*Karen and Louise: Karen calls out the racist remark, Louise doesn't. four possibilites:
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::*Key point in the theory is that these "bedrock dilemmas" occur once cities become too large for people to know each other.  Interesting point: We had to use principles to express ourselves about these BSDs because we couldn't influence each other directly.
:::*1. chance
 
:::*2. first causes
 
:::*3. situational
 
:::*4. they were shaped by forces beyond their control.
 
  
:*(p. 26: It seems like he is saying that to account for "effort" you need miracles....?)
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:*"Society works best when..."
 
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::*Bold thesis: looking for universality as: consistent differences across time and cultureExample: ''Optimates'' and ''populares'' in Ancient Greece.  
:*(Karen and Louise really present a version of Strawson's argument a comparative form to see "unfairness". This is a pretty good innovation, regardless of our views of the issue.)
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::*Left and right have deep associationsleft handed suspect.
 
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::*History of research on connection between core preferences on leadership, defense, punishment of norm violators, devotion to traditional behavioral standards, distribution of resources. LaponceHaidt's MFT.   
:*(p. 27: note inference: Because we are the products of evolution, we cannot be ultimately responsible for how we areTry this (Dennett’s) version: Evolution gave us agential capacities for avoiding certain outcomes that make us moderately responsible (mr, not MR) for some of our behaviors.) p. 27 "intermediate self-making"
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::*Look at the 4BSDs in relations to Haidt's MFT:
 
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:::*1. Adherence to tradition(Neophobia/philia)
:*Mele's criticism of Strawson's Basic Argument:  MR doesn't require us to have "chosen" the way we are.  Strawson commits us to an impossible psychological regress.  Rather, practical freedom is an emergent property (description at 30). Example of Betty and her fear of the basement.  "intentional self-modification" (ISM) is possible. '''Mele stops the regress!'''   
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:::*2. Treatment of outgroups and rule breakers (cooperation, defection, threat) (C, F, L)
 
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:::*3. Role of group/individual (freeriding, self-interest, social commitment) (F, L)
:*Waller: (uses his "unfairness" framing device).  Imagine Betty and Benji.  Benji fails at ISMIs it unfair to blame him?  (Let's pause on this and consider other cases beside fear of basements or becoming racists.)
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:::*4. Authority and Leadership (Legitimate authority and hierarchy) (A)
<HR>
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::*"Society works best Index2007 research "Predicted issue attitudes, ideological self-placement, and party identification with astonishing accuracy" .6 correlation. Pursuing international research with SWB. Note this is "synchronous" researchA snapshot of both BSD and Issue orientation.    We will see similar empirical support for the MFT in Haidt, C8.
::*(Is fairness working the same way in the following cases?  How does your model of the "normally competent person" and "effort" come into play?)
 
:::*Overcoming a phobia.
 
:::*Becoming aware of one's racism or bias.
 
:::*Overcoming an angry impulse to hit someone.  to murder someone. 
 
:::*Overcoming a brutally abusive childhood and
 
:::*Overcoming a significant disability.  (In fairness, we pay people to compensate them for some disabilities.)
 
<HR>
 
:*research on "cognitive misers" vs. "chronic cognizers".   
 
 
 
:*Kane's Libertarianismdual control responsibility.
 
 
 
:*Waller's "unfairness" framing device again. Betty and Barbara
 
<hr>
 
 
 
:*Some critical thoughts.
 
 
 
:*Criticism of the "fairness" argument. 
 
::*1.
 
:::*Waller makes a pretty straightforward claim in his fairness arguments.  If we're not ultimately responsible for our differences, then it is never fair to judge us differentlyBut is that how we really think of fairness in actually situations.  Consider cases:
 
:::*Would a workplace wellness program be unfair because it takes different employees more or less effort to meet the goals and get the rewards? (not a blame scenario)
 
:::*Within a cohort of similarly talented competitors (swimmers), would it be unfair to praise a winner if we found some small difference that the winner had over others?  (Note that in some cases we do say it is unfair -- a new swimsuit design maybe?) But always?
 
:::*You go to grad school and you notice that some of the people in your cohort have been studying philosophy in 4 languages for about 3 times the time you have been reading in one. Do you go to the Dean and complain that it is unfair to compare you to them?
 
:::*Joe and Bill have slightly different degrees of alcoholism, but both get DUIs.  Do we need to calibrate the penalties to track this possible difference in culpability?
 
:::*I'm not sure our fairness judgements really involved the kind of '''ideal standards''' that we actually use in making things "fair enough". Practical judgements of fairness might be just even if they operate with "ranges" and "normal performance expectations"
 
:::*In general, you could say Waller's critique requires the "ultimate/absolute" language.  Moderate intentional self-modification is pretty plausible, even if it cannot be traced to absolute .
 
 
 
::*2.
 
:::*A second line of critical thought, still pretty inchoate, is that much of the MR scepticism literature focuses on a "deep dive" into the "self".  If we don't find the kind of "self-making" they are looking for, could it be because the model of self is wrong?  (A clue: Waller has trouble imagining a naturalistic account of effort.)
 

Latest revision as of 17:01, 5 October 2023

12: OCT 5

Assigned

  • Hibbing, John R., Kevin Smith, and John R. Alford, Predisposed, Chapter 2, "Getting Into Bedrock with Politics". (26)

Hibbing, et. al. Predisposed Chapter 2

  • Begins with allegations that universities are left-biased. Points out counterexample in Russell. Students can be more radical than even lefty faculty. City college story. 34ff: ironically its most lasting intellectual movement was neoconservatism.
  • Point of story:
  • 1) Colleges' political orientations have little predictable effect on their students. (Think about this in relationship to Gonzaga.)
  • 2) Politics and political beliefs are fungible, change dep on time and place. No discussions these days of Stalin-Trotskyism. Or ADA, which conservatisms opposed. True, issues and labels change, but, acc to Hibbing et al, humans vary in orientation, politics is, at its core, dealing with a constant problem, invariable. Found in "bedrock social dilemmas" (BSDs).
  • Back to Aristotle
  • "Man" is by nature political. -- Politics deep in our nature. But A also speculated that town life, while natural, was not original. An achievement of sorts, not wholly natural.
  • Evidence: GWAS (Gene wide association studies) studies suggest more influence from gene difference on political orientation than economic prefs.
  • Politics and Mating: Political orientation is one of the top correlate predicting mate selection. (39). We do look for diff personality traits in a partner, but not when it comes to pol orientation (or drinking behavior and religion!). Considers two objections: mates become similar over time or the correlation is an effect of the selection pool "social homogamy" But no sign of convergence of orientation over time of relationship (but views on gender roles tend to diverge! Nota bene!). Studies controlling for demographic factors undermine second objection.
  • Politics is connected to willingness to punish political difference. (Which helps explain our sensitivity to "political prosecution".) 40-41.
  • Differences Galore?
  • Need to separate issues, labels, and bedrock social dilemmas.
  • Issues arise naturally in the society, but can also be "promoted" by actors and parties.
  • Labels distinguish groups contesting issues. They organize approaches to issues by orientation. Practically, political parties do this, but also media. Labels and parties shift over time, presumably as they compete for voters (or, "package them".)
  • ”Labels are simply the vocabulary employed to describe the reasonably systematic orientations toward issues that float around a polity at a given time.” 41
  • Label "liberal" - today means mildly libertarian, but liberal economic policy isn't libertarian at all (involves income transfer). Mentions historical origin of Left/Right. Generally, liberals are more about equality and tolerance, but communists can be authoritarian. Generally, conservatives focus on authority, hierarchy, and order (more than libs), but they often defend rights in ways that make common cause with liberals (protections from the gov't, free speech).
  • Conclusion they are resisting: (43): political beliefs are so multidimensional and variable that left and right don't have any stable meaning. Ideology is fluid, but there are universals (regarding BSDs).
  • Commonality Reigns! Political Universals
  • Bedrock social dilemmas (BSD): "core preferences about the organization, structure, and conduct of mass social life" 44
  • BSDS: leadership, decision-making, resource distribution, punishment, protection, and orientation to tradition vs change.
  • Questions associated with BSDs: How should we make decisions? What rules to follow? What do we do with rule violators? Should we try something new or stick with tradition?
  • Predispositions defined: political orientations that are biologically instantiated. these differences are more stable than labels and issues.
  • Example of conceptual framework at work: attitudes toward military intervention. tells the story of changing conservative views of intervention, Lindbergh and the AFC. Late 20th century conservatives were interventionists (commie domino theory), but early century conservatives were isolationists. These changes make sense in relation to the bedrock challenge of dealing with external threats. Shifting analysis of threats can change policy 180 degrees. 48: Pearl Harbor!
  • Example 2: Conservatives softening on immigration after electoral defeats in 2012. Early politics leading to DACA? Conservatives still consistently more suspicious of out groups. (heightened threat detection)
  • Note the possibilities: Same view of issue, different ideologies expressing different orientations (Vietnam). Same orientation expressed in different ideologies and different positions on issues (Conservative isolationism before/after Pearl Harbor).
  • Key point in the theory is that these "bedrock dilemmas" occur once cities become too large for people to know each other. Interesting point: We had to use principles to express ourselves about these BSDs because we couldn't influence each other directly.
  • "Society works best when..."
  • Bold thesis: looking for universality as: consistent differences across time and culture. Example: Optimates and populares in Ancient Greece.
  • Left and right have deep associations. left handed suspect.
  • History of research on connection between core preferences on leadership, defense, punishment of norm violators, devotion to traditional behavioral standards, distribution of resources. Laponce. Haidt's MFT.
  • Look at the 4BSDs in relations to Haidt's MFT:
  • 1. Adherence to tradition. (Neophobia/philia)
  • 2. Treatment of outgroups and rule breakers (cooperation, defection, threat) (C, F, L)
  • 3. Role of group/individual (freeriding, self-interest, social commitment) (F, L)
  • 4. Authority and Leadership (Legitimate authority and hierarchy) (A)
  • "Society works best Index" 2007 research "Predicted issue attitudes, ideological self-placement, and party identification with astonishing accuracy" .6 correlation. Pursuing international research with SWB. Note this is "synchronous" research. A snapshot of both BSD and Issue orientation. We will see similar empirical support for the MFT in Haidt, C8.