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==26: NOV 21. ==
  
 
===Assigned===
 
===Assigned===
  
:*Greene, Joshua and Jonathan Cohen. "For the Law, neuroscience changes nothing and everything" (20) (Scott/Hendrick)
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:*Sapolsky, Chapter 16: Biology, the Criminal Justice System, and (Oh, Why Not?) Free Will (580-613) (Part Two 598-613)
  
===Greene, Joshua and Jonathan Cohen. "For the Law, neuroscience changes nothing and everything"===
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:*Over the next few classes, try to watch some of these: 
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:*Some videos/websites about prisons and incarceration:
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::*[https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2023.html Prison Policy Initiative] Prison Policy Initiative]: A good up-to-date overview of prison facts and some popular myths about the US prison system.  Updated to 2023!
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::*The Atlantic, data visualization on incarceration of African Americans [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51_pzax4M0]
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::*Data visualization on mass incarceration. [https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/]
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::*Norwegian prison, [https://youtu.be/zNpehw-Yjvs]
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::*US Supermax prison, “Red Onion” [https://youtu.be/ocTl5G4AJ9A]
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::*”When kids do hard time,” Wabash Prison, [https://youtu.be/VqrH_7lQMvc]
  
:*Summary of key theses:
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===In-class===
::*1. Neuroscience findings do not pose a challenge to the legal system, but will provoke a conflict with ordinary intuitions about blame and this will delegitimate
 
::*2. Our sense of agency is created in the brain.  (Strong version of this. Dennett might object.)
 
::*3. The "problem" of free will and determinism is not solvable because it is generated by two different cognitive structures in your brain.
 
::*4. Neuroscience will lead us to show universal compassion in handling criminal behavior. (!)
 
  
:*'''1. Introduction'''
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:*Some limits on Ultimate Moral Responsibility: Trying not to be the inquisitor.
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:*How can anyone be a compatibilist?
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:*How should we treat people who make mistakes?
  
::*"Mens rea" - a guilty mind. 
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===Some arguments against Ultimate Moral Responsibility===
::*Existing legal principles make no assumptions about the neural level, so can accommodate new science.  But, neuroscience '''does''' reveal "something fishy" about our conceptions of human action and responsibility.
 
::*Argument preview: 1776: Current legal doctrine is grounded in a "metaphysically overambitious" libertarian view of free will, which is threatened by new neuroscience and determinism.  Discrepancy will show up in the public's mind as they watch the CJ system operate.
 
::*The authors will "diagnose" the free will issue as a discrepancy bt folk psychology and folk physics.  The version of free will that folk psych gives us is an illusion. [But that doesn't exclude a non-illusionary account of FW.
 
  
:*'''2. Two Theories of Punishment'''
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:Lines of argument regarding individual moral responsibility:
::*Background of skepticism about utilitarian punishment: could be Draconian, could punish the innocent. Critics respond that these scenarios would not satisfy utilitarian intuitions.
 
::*Retributivism does a better job of capturing our intuitions about punishment.  Desert. "Internal wickedness"
 
  
:*'''3. Free Will and Retributivism'''
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:*1. Strawson's Impossibility Argument.
::*reviews arguments of hard determinism, libertarianism, and compatibilism.
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::*We cannot be "ultimately" responsible for how we are.  What follows from his argument?
::*Libertarians wind up believing things there is no evidence for. Urges rejection of the "panicky metaphysics" of libertarianism.   
 
::*Compatibilists "normalize" free will.  Roughly rational, non-coerced action. 
 
::*Retributivists must deny hard determinism, so, in absence of evidence for LibFW, they (and the retributive CJ system) are compatibilists(Hence, the law may accommodate other compatibilist frames.)
 
  
:*'''4. Neuroscience Changes Nothing'''
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:*2. Mele's Self-modification argument and the "Benji" response.
::*Stephen Morse (from podcast, I think).  General idea of a rational person.  "The law doesn't care if people have "free will" in any deep metaphysical sense..."1778
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::*We can self-modify, but some of our ability to do that is not up to us.
::*Greene and Cohen's argument: Morse is right about neuroscience and the law, but if neuroscience changes people's intuitions about blame and punishment, then we have a problem of legitimacy of the law.  “In our opinion, the fundamental psycholegal error is . . . A reflection of the gap between wha the law cares about and what people care about.”
 
  
:*'''5. What really matters for MR?'''
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:*3. Growth of Knowledge argument - Sapolsky (604-605)
::*The law is interested in "diminished rationality" but people are asking something deeper, "What it really him?"  vs. SES, genes, highly contingent circumstances.  We have dualist and libertarian folk psychology, not just religious folks. 
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::*The more we learn about human behavior, the harder it is to make retributive punishment and "end in itself".
::*Cites "humuncular thinking" in CJ expert Pincus.  Other experts saying "some of the diffs"...?  Third example, Sternberg and Scott, write as if we needed neurological evidence rather than behavioral evidence. 
 
::*The public's fascination with neuroscience evidence is evidence that they are looking for something that the law isn't looking for.  "What it him?" 
 
::*"The Boys from Brazil" problem.  Mr. Puppet.  The law just wants to know if Mr. P was rational at the time.  But we "folk" feel that something is wrong about holding him MR.  But if det is true, we are all puppets.  People are led by their dualist/nonmaterial intuitions to reject determinism.  But maybe neuroscience will reschool those intuitions.
 
  
:*'''6. Neuroscience and the Transparent Bottleneck'''
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:Lines of argument at the social and cultural levels:
::*From "black box" to "transparent bottleneck".  Predicts that we will have very granular real time observation of decision making processes. 
 
::*After enough new neuroscience, it will be pointless to ask, "Was it him or ....?"  In a sense, everyone is a "victim" of a "neuronal circumstance" (A phrase I might enjoy promoting.)
 
  
:*'''7. Folk Psychology and Folk Physics Collide'''
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:*1. Knowledge of the social determinants of crime and dysfunctional behavior.
::*Endorses Wegner's "Illusion of Conscious Will" (2002), which brought together research on how we deceive ourselves into believing we are in control.  (Still, relevant, more so than Libet's particular experiment.)
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::*The more we know (also a growth of knowledge argument) about SES and the "epidemiology of crime" the harder it is to blame people absolutely and, hence, retributively.   
::*Additional considerations: Research suggesting that minds would naturally develop distinct module for animate an inanimate objects.  Hidder and Simmel's research on attribution of agency to shapes.  Andrea Heberlein's work on amygdala damaged subjects.  Didn't see agency.  "Intentional Stance / Theory of Mind" (distinguish).  Other research on people who do not see agency- autism spectrum folks.  Different ontologies. 
 
::*"Attributive Free Will" is the unavoidable tendency to attribute free will to others.   
 
::*bot. 1782: we are in a bind.  Two standpoints.  "The problem of free will and determinism will never find an intuitively satisfying solution because it arises out of a conflict between two distinct cognitive subsystems that speak different cognitive 'languages' and that my ultimately be incapable of negotiation." 1783 col. 1.
 
  
:*'''8. Free will, Responsibility, and consequentialism'''
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:*2. Cultural evolution and the evolution of the idea of free will.  
::*FW an illusion, but not MR.
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::*While we feel certain about free will, that certainty might also be a product of cultural psychology (Henrich).
::*They do allow that consequentialism will generate a kind of account of FW, but this is "hard determinism".
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::*Interesting: Thinks we will be led to the French maxim, "to know all is to forgive all". universal compassion. (not so sure, myself).  
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===Some arguments supporting the idea that we are all equally responsible for our actions===
::*Objections to Consequentialist punishment.
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:::*Could justify overpunishing.
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:*1. We experience our own responsibility as comprehensive and applying to new circumstances.  If I'm responsibility for everything I do, you can be too.
:::*Could justify underpunishing[It is true that we will notice recidivism more if policy changes.]
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::*Objections to hard determinism and denial of FW.  
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:*2. Sure there are biological explanations for what we do, but you can always get help or decide not to do those things. We have many examples of people summoning more will power to solve their problems.
:::*1. Doesn't that fact that you can raise your hand show that you have FWNo. Wegner.
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:::*2. Isn't attribution of FW and MR practically inevitableCites good early evidence (Henrich would be an update in the same tradition of Cultural evolutionary accounts) that we are adapted to FW and MR to meet challenges of social lifeResponse: Analogous to the diff between Euclidean and Curved spaceMay only need to overcome Euclidean intuitions when you launch a rocket into spaceLikewise (big concession) we may not overcome our FWMR intuitions in everyday life, but in CJ contexts we must.   
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===How Can Someone be a Compatibilist? Or, Agency Views of Free Will===
:::*3. Why do anything if hard determinism is true?  Same answer as earlierTry it. You're not built that way.
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:*Agency as a source of causal powers for normally competent individuals
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::*Even if determinism is true, normal human beings have agency. Agency is a causal power. The ability to control ourselves and affect the world around us.
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::*Agency includes our ability to "do what we want"; even if we lack ultimate powers to determine what we want.
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::*Free will may be something like "doing what I want to do" and having wants and desires that are "mine."
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::*Agency is our capacity to control outcomes and take ownership of some of actions.  
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::*A normally competent agent (NCA) can learn the expectations of their society and conform to them.
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:*Note: We often talk about an action being "ours" even when we say we are determined or influenced to do that action.  Perhaps physics is the wrong place to look for free will?
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:*Problem: What sort of approach to punishment does this compatibilist picture support?
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::*One line: Well, if it's really your wants and desires that you're acting on, and you chose them, then you can be db-MR for failures.
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::*Another line: It's fine to say that your actions were "yours," and that's a good reason to knock on your door if you break the law, but that doesn't mean you choseYou may have "taken ownership" of the causal forces that made you the way you are, but they still did make you this way and not some other way.
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===Ordinary Language and Free Will===
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 +
:*Free will looks less mysterious if you focus on our "agential capacities," rather than determinism.  Consider these "ordinary language" statements. How is "choosing" and "free will" being used differently in each case?  Is this way of talking "compatible" with determinism?:
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::*I may choose to take up painting as a hobby.
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::*My grandmother had a big influence on me and that's why I chose to become a doctor.
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::*I cannot choose to become a concert violinists at this point in my life.
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::*I can choose whether or not I get ready for class.
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::*I have no choice, I have to turn you in to the police.
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::*I can't choose not to love you, but I can't see you any more.
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::*I've decided I don't love you any more. (aww...)
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::*Parent to child: You can do anything you put your mind to.  (Yeah, right.)
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::*Parent to child: You need to try harder.
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::*Parent to (older) child: You're doing fine. Just keep that up.
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===Sapolsky, Chapter 16: Biology, the Criminal Justice System, and (Oh, Why Not?) Free Will (580-613)  (Part Two 598-613)===
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:*'''But does anything useful actually come of this?'''
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::*Grounds for skepticism about using neuroscience in the courtroom:  Stephen Morse.  Neurolaw sceptic, ok with M’naugton, but thinks cases are rare.  Reviews valid criticisms he makes: 1. Juries might overvalue neuroscience images, 2. Descriptive vs. Normative. 
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::*Morse supports a strong distinction between causation and compulsion. Causation is not itself an excuse. But Sapolsky argues that this still involves walling off a “homunculus” and that’s not plausible.
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::*Acknowledges an apparent problem.  Neuroscience typically can’t predict individual behavior very much.  Fictional exchange with prosecutor.  600
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::*Explaining lots and Predicting Little
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:*But is the lack of predictive power a problem in the argument?  S. works through some cases in which probability of prediction decreases, but no less likely that it could be a case of compulsion. 601
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:*602: Important methodological point:  There's no less biology in the leg fracture vs. the other disorders, but level of biological explanation is different.  Leg fractures are less connected to culture. Behavior is multifactorial and heavily cultural.  (Oh god, another Henrich digression.  Free will has a history.) Example: how much does biology predict depressionFactors are diverse biological mechanisms, including cultural factors. (But, point is, someone can be disable by depression, just like the leg fracture.)
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:*Marvin Minsky, “Free will: internal forces I do not understand”. Sapolsky adds “yet”.
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:*'''Growth of Knowledge argument:''' Neat charts showing historic trend to connect social behavior and biology in research journals. 604-605.
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:*If you still believe in mitigated free will:
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::*Case of Dramer and Springer and the spiritual explanation for epilepsy. Biblical version with Jesus. 
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::*Sapolsky imagines an Inquisitor (witch burner).  Must be puzzled occasionally by fact pattern. Mom has epilepsy. 
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::*Growth of knowledge argument 607-608.  read list.  How will they view us?: Most likely option is that our kids will look at us as idiots about moral responsibility and culpability.
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:*608: practical outcomes.  Not about letting violent criminals freeOn the biological view, punishment can’t be an end in itself (restoring balance). Retributive punishment is an end in itself. 
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:*Brain imaging suggests culpability judgements activate the cool and cognitive dlPFC, but punishment judgements activate more emotional vmPFC“A frothy limbic state”. Makes sense that punishment is costly.  But we need to overcome our attachment to punishment.  It is involved in a lot of unjustified suffering.   
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:*Recaps the transition we've made with epilepsy 610. 
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:*Car free will.  A kind of ''reductio'' argument.
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===Mistake/Accident Cases===
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:*Generally, we don't hold people equally blameworthy for mistakes and accidents as for intentional wrongdoing.
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 +
::*Kimberly Potter - police officer who mistook her taser and gun, killing a citizen.
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::*Amber Guyger - the police officer, off duty, who mistook her neighbor, Botham Jean, for an intruder and killed him.
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::*A man has a heart attack / epileptic attack while driving and kills a pedestrian(Consider variations.)
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::*A man is working two jobs to support a family, nods off at the wheel and kills a pedestrian.
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::*A man knows his car is close to a dangerous malfunctionWhen it occurs, he loses control and kills a pedestrian.
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::*The tragic case of the man who left his baby in a hot car.
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===Small Group Discussion===
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:*Does a focus on "agency" do a better job of capturing our intuitions and evidence about free will?
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:*What view of moral responsibility does an agency model support?

Latest revision as of 18:17, 21 November 2024

26: NOV 21.

Assigned

  • Sapolsky, Chapter 16: Biology, the Criminal Justice System, and (Oh, Why Not?) Free Will (580-613) (Part Two 598-613)
  • Over the next few classes, try to watch some of these:
  • Some videos/websites about prisons and incarceration:
  • Prison Policy Initiative Prison Policy Initiative]: A good up-to-date overview of prison facts and some popular myths about the US prison system. Updated to 2023!
  • The Atlantic, data visualization on incarceration of African Americans [1]
  • Data visualization on mass incarceration. [2]
  • Norwegian prison, [3]
  • US Supermax prison, “Red Onion” [4]
  • ”When kids do hard time,” Wabash Prison, [5]

In-class

  • Some limits on Ultimate Moral Responsibility: Trying not to be the inquisitor.
  • How can anyone be a compatibilist?
  • How should we treat people who make mistakes?

Some arguments against Ultimate Moral Responsibility

Lines of argument regarding individual moral responsibility:
  • 1. Strawson's Impossibility Argument.
  • We cannot be "ultimately" responsible for how we are. What follows from his argument?
  • 2. Mele's Self-modification argument and the "Benji" response.
  • We can self-modify, but some of our ability to do that is not up to us.
  • 3. Growth of Knowledge argument - Sapolsky (604-605)
  • The more we learn about human behavior, the harder it is to make retributive punishment and "end in itself".
Lines of argument at the social and cultural levels:
  • 1. Knowledge of the social determinants of crime and dysfunctional behavior.
  • The more we know (also a growth of knowledge argument) about SES and the "epidemiology of crime" the harder it is to blame people absolutely and, hence, retributively.
  • 2. Cultural evolution and the evolution of the idea of free will.
  • While we feel certain about free will, that certainty might also be a product of cultural psychology (Henrich).

Some arguments supporting the idea that we are all equally responsible for our actions

  • 1. We experience our own responsibility as comprehensive and applying to new circumstances. If I'm responsibility for everything I do, you can be too.
  • 2. Sure there are biological explanations for what we do, but you can always get help or decide not to do those things. We have many examples of people summoning more will power to solve their problems.

How Can Someone be a Compatibilist? Or, Agency Views of Free Will

  • Agency as a source of causal powers for normally competent individuals
  • Even if determinism is true, normal human beings have agency. Agency is a causal power. The ability to control ourselves and affect the world around us.
  • Agency includes our ability to "do what we want"; even if we lack ultimate powers to determine what we want.
  • Free will may be something like "doing what I want to do" and having wants and desires that are "mine."
  • Agency is our capacity to control outcomes and take ownership of some of actions.
  • A normally competent agent (NCA) can learn the expectations of their society and conform to them.
  • Note: We often talk about an action being "ours" even when we say we are determined or influenced to do that action. Perhaps physics is the wrong place to look for free will?
  • Problem: What sort of approach to punishment does this compatibilist picture support?
  • One line: Well, if it's really your wants and desires that you're acting on, and you chose them, then you can be db-MR for failures.
  • Another line: It's fine to say that your actions were "yours," and that's a good reason to knock on your door if you break the law, but that doesn't mean you chose. You may have "taken ownership" of the causal forces that made you the way you are, but they still did make you this way and not some other way.


Ordinary Language and Free Will

  • Free will looks less mysterious if you focus on our "agential capacities," rather than determinism. Consider these "ordinary language" statements. How is "choosing" and "free will" being used differently in each case? Is this way of talking "compatible" with determinism?:
  • I may choose to take up painting as a hobby.
  • My grandmother had a big influence on me and that's why I chose to become a doctor.
  • I cannot choose to become a concert violinists at this point in my life.
  • I can choose whether or not I get ready for class.
  • I have no choice, I have to turn you in to the police.
  • I can't choose not to love you, but I can't see you any more.
  • I've decided I don't love you any more. (aww...)
  • Parent to child: You can do anything you put your mind to. (Yeah, right.)
  • Parent to child: You need to try harder.
  • Parent to (older) child: You're doing fine. Just keep that up.

Sapolsky, Chapter 16: Biology, the Criminal Justice System, and (Oh, Why Not?) Free Will (580-613) (Part Two 598-613)

  • But does anything useful actually come of this?
  • Grounds for skepticism about using neuroscience in the courtroom: Stephen Morse. Neurolaw sceptic, ok with M’naugton, but thinks cases are rare. Reviews valid criticisms he makes: 1. Juries might overvalue neuroscience images, 2. Descriptive vs. Normative.
  • Morse supports a strong distinction between causation and compulsion. Causation is not itself an excuse. But Sapolsky argues that this still involves walling off a “homunculus” and that’s not plausible.
  • Acknowledges an apparent problem. Neuroscience typically can’t predict individual behavior very much. Fictional exchange with prosecutor. 600
  • Explaining lots and Predicting Little
  • But is the lack of predictive power a problem in the argument? S. works through some cases in which probability of prediction decreases, but no less likely that it could be a case of compulsion. 601
  • 602: Important methodological point: There's no less biology in the leg fracture vs. the other disorders, but level of biological explanation is different. Leg fractures are less connected to culture. Behavior is multifactorial and heavily cultural. (Oh god, another Henrich digression. Free will has a history.) Example: how much does biology predict depression? Factors are diverse biological mechanisms, including cultural factors. (But, point is, someone can be disable by depression, just like the leg fracture.)
  • Marvin Minsky, “Free will: internal forces I do not understand”. Sapolsky adds “yet”.
  • Growth of Knowledge argument: Neat charts showing historic trend to connect social behavior and biology in research journals. 604-605.
  • If you still believe in mitigated free will:
  • Case of Dramer and Springer and the spiritual explanation for epilepsy. Biblical version with Jesus.
  • Sapolsky imagines an Inquisitor (witch burner). Must be puzzled occasionally by fact pattern. Mom has epilepsy.
  • Growth of knowledge argument 607-608. read list. How will they view us?: Most likely option is that our kids will look at us as idiots about moral responsibility and culpability.
  • 608: practical outcomes. Not about letting violent criminals free. On the biological view, punishment can’t be an end in itself (restoring balance). Retributive punishment is an end in itself.
  • Brain imaging suggests culpability judgements activate the cool and cognitive dlPFC, but punishment judgements activate more emotional vmPFC. “A frothy limbic state”. Makes sense that punishment is costly. But we need to overcome our attachment to punishment. It is involved in a lot of unjustified suffering.
  • Recaps the transition we've made with epilepsy 610.
  • Car free will. A kind of reductio argument.

Mistake/Accident Cases

  • Generally, we don't hold people equally blameworthy for mistakes and accidents as for intentional wrongdoing.
  • Kimberly Potter - police officer who mistook her taser and gun, killing a citizen.
  • Amber Guyger - the police officer, off duty, who mistook her neighbor, Botham Jean, for an intruder and killed him.
  • A man has a heart attack / epileptic attack while driving and kills a pedestrian. (Consider variations.)
  • A man is working two jobs to support a family, nods off at the wheel and kills a pedestrian.
  • A man knows his car is close to a dangerous malfunction. When it occurs, he loses control and kills a pedestrian.
  • The tragic case of the man who left his baby in a hot car.

Small Group Discussion

  • Does a focus on "agency" do a better job of capturing our intuitions and evidence about free will?
  • What view of moral responsibility does an agency model support?