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==25: APR 16. Unit Six: Moral Responsibility and Criminal Justice==
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==23. APR 16: Unit 6: The Future of Food==
  
===Assigned===
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===Assigned Work===
  
:*[https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/episodes/317421-blame Radio Lab Episode on Blame and Moral Responsibility]
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:*Montgomery, David. Chapter 1: "Good Old Dirt" ''Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations''(pp. 1-9); (9)
:*[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13554790903329182?scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=nncs20 Article abstract, "Klüver–Bucy syndrome, hypersexuality, and the law"]
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:*Diamond, Jarred. "Agriculture's Mixed Blessings" (180-191)  (11)
  
 
===In-class===
 
===In-class===
  
:*Some basics of the moral responsibilty and free will discussion
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:*Documentary Reports
  
===Introduction to philosophical problems with Moral Responsibility and the Law===
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===Montgomery Chapter 1, "Good Old Dirt"===
  
:*'''Basic Questions:''' 
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:*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly-_WeqhSWA David Montgomery's on what's new in soil science.] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_R._Montgomery Montgomery's wiki page]
::*1. Do we praise people for things that they don't deserve credit for and blame people for things that are not their fault?   
 
::*2. Is our concept of moral responsibility (and all of the behaviors and institutions based on it) wrong somehow? Is it out of sync with ideas about free will, what we know about the brain, and the causes of crime?
 
::*3. What exactly do we mean when we say, "You are responsible for that"?  Start a list. Causal, moral, both, neither. Do you find yourself referencing some idea of a "normally competent person"? When would you also hold someone responsible for becoming a normally competent person? What sorts of conditions make is more or less likely that you will become a normally competent person?
 
::*4. If we clarify our understanding of moral responsibility, will we still approach criminal punishment with retributive intent?
 
  
:*'''Some concepts for thinking about moral responsibility:'''
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:*At the start of agriculture 98% of food producers supported a small ruling elite that controlled food distribution.  Now only 1% of the population work in agricultural food production.
  
::*'''Moral Responsibility''' - The idea that people can be held responsible, in some fashion, for their actions.  Two main kinds of moral responsibility are "'''desert-based''' or "moral desert" moral responsibility" (db-MR) and "'''accountability''' moral responsibility" (accountability).
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:*David Montgomery wants to tell a history of soil and of human use of soil.  Historical failures, but also interested in sustainability.
  
::*'''Moral desert Responsibility (db-MR)''' -
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:*Major theses: The history of agriculture shows us a pattern of failure that has doomed major civilizations. We can learn from this pattern of failure or repeat it. Avoiding the pattern will require attention to sustainable soil.
:::*Def: You "morally deserve" something because you did (or failed to do) something '''that you knew you were expected to do or not do'''.  It follows that you are'''blameworthy and deserving of punishment.''' Typically, '''retributive punishment''' - pain (from fines or incarceration) proportional to offense. (You can also talk about "deserving" something good...)
 
:::*You might deserve blame for failing any of a wide range of expectations. Expectations can come from friends and family, from social norms, or from the law. Examples: Your partner expects you to call if you are late for dinner (they should accept responsibility), you deserve to be treated civilly by others, you worked a shift and deserve to be paid. You failed to observe the speed limit and you deserve a ticket.
 
:::*Difficulties arise when we consider "excuses" and "limiting conditions".  You're late for dinner because you helped save someone's life or because your alcoholism led you to a bar. You have Kluwer-Bucy syndrome.
 
  
::*'''Accountability Moral Responsibility''' -
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===Diamond, Ch. 10, "Agriculture's Mixed Blessings" ===
:::*If we just want to understand why someone failed in their responsibility and, importantly, whether they will do it again, we might ask them to give an "account" of their behavior and thinking ("What were you thinking!?") Giving an account of someone as having done or failed to do things we normally expect of others can be done quite apart from holding someone blameworthy (as in in desert-based MR). This might be an important distinction if you become a skeptic about moral responsibility as a result of this unit. Accountability MR is typically focused on understanding potential threats to society from an offender and, where possible rehabilitating offenders.  Accountability MR may include accepting restrictions on one's liberty, from incarceration to probationary restrictions. 
 
  
::*'''Main Point'''You can still have accountability MR without db-MRIs accountability enough? Why/why not?
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:*Old "progressivist" view
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:*Ants practice agriculture and something like animal husbandry [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/were-ants-worlds-first-farmers-180959840/]
::*Moral desert can be contrasted to what you deserve just because of your status, as in rights. This is also called "'''moral standing'''". 
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:*Details about the spread of agriculture - not like other great ideas (hand ax designs)Spread slowly, failed alot.
::*Moral desert can also be contrasted with "morally arbitrary" (recall Rawls). So, we would say you do not deserve praise or blame for things that are "'''morally arbitrary'''": things you did little or nothing to achieve (like an inheritance), things about you that were just your good fortune (good impulse control, a good noodle, athletic ability, at ease in social life...) or deficits and challenges that you have that you did nothing to deserve (having epilepsy, a substance abuse problem, anger issues, etc.). Some philosophers will say that you don't deserve to be blamed for things that are morally arbitraryThat would be a reason to prefer “accountability responsibility”.
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:*Advantages of hunter gatherer lifestyle
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::*Short work week, more leisure - as long as you have enough Mongongo nuts!
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::*Better nutrition (in some comparisons)
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::*No impact from crop failures
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::*But, in recent research, not Diamond’s: hunter-gatherers’ lifestyle was very violent and competitive.   
  
::*'''Free will and responsibility''' -- Most people would agree that if we cannot freely will our actions, we cannot be held responsible for themBut what sort of free will is required? Is normal choosing (neurologically described) free will or do we have to break with the causal fabric of the universe! (Libertarian Free will). If the world is deterministic, everything has been "decided" (Including basketball games!)Does that mean there is no free will, or just that it might not be what we think it is?
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:*185: Paleopathology and medical anthropology: what you tell from feces, mummies, old bones and cookware  Am. Indians who changed to ag.
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::*Health evidence from early adoption of agriculture
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::*Height (Ice age h-ger’s 5’10”, early ag-er’s 5’ 3”), nutrition, cavities, anemia, tb, syphillis, mortality (5% past 50 v 1%)
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::*Mono-crop dependency a risk in early ag.
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::*Population concentration promotes diseases and pathogen spread.
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::*Low carb, varied nutrients
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::*Class structures emerge after agriculture: diff outcomes dep. on class
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::*Sexual inequality: agriculture requires labor, women do that, but also produce more humans for laborThey become part of the productivity of the farm. Pregnant every 2 years instead of 4 for h-ger’s.   
  
===Radio Lab Episode on Blame and Moral Responsibility===
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:*Other differences that sustained agriculture
 
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::*Increased population density made hunt/gather politically vulnerable (10 malnourished farmers can still dominate 1 h-ger.   
:*'''Segment 1:''' Story of Kevin and his wife, Janet.  Kevin is arrested for child pornography. 
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::*Hunt/gather requires lots of room
 
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::*Agriculture created society that could produce sophisticated art (churches).
::*15 years earlier. Epilepsy seizures returned after surgery two years earlier. Can't drive so he meets Janet from work, who drives him to work. Romance... Still more seizures.  Another surgery. Music ability in tact.  But then his food and sexual appetites grew, played songs on the piano for hours.  Disturbing behavior.  Really disturbing behavior.
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::*Grants that agriculture led to lots of great things, but also to large populations, which affects the equation about quality of life.
 
 
::*Reporter tries to get at who it was who did it.  Kevin claims compulsion.  Downloads and deletes files.
 
 
 
::*Orin Devinsky: Kevin’s neurologist. Testified in court that it wasn't Kevin's fault.
 
 
 
::*Neurological dive: deep parts of our brain can generate weird thoughts, but we have a "censor".  Maybe Kevin lost that part of his brain.  Observed in post-surgery monkeys.
 
 
 
::*Lee Vartan, prosecutor -- Can't be impulse control.  Porn at home, but not at work.  He must have known that it was wrong.  But Tourette's can be circumstantially triggered even though it is clearly neurological.  Poignant exchange with Janet about staying in the relationship.  '''Could you have stayed in the relationship?'''  '''Kluwer-Bucy'''.  Months before sentencing.  Medication makes him normal, but eliminates his libido.  5 yrs. - home arrest.  Judge acknowledges prosecutor's pointHow does the legal system assign blame when you are sometimes “in control” and sometimes not? She adds: '''You could have asked for help'''. (Reflect on this a bit.)  24 months federal prison 25 months of house arrest.  2008-2010. '''Do you agree with prosecutor's Vartan's point? The Judge's additional point? Why or why not? Consider other fact patterns / cases. Are there cases where "could have asked for help" doesn't carry weight? This one? What would your sentence have been, especially in light of the anti-libido meds?''' '''(Short group discussion on questions in bold.)'''
 
 
 
:*'''Segment 2:'''  Blame - person or brain. (26:30 mins)
 
 
 
::*[https://law.duke.edu/fac/farahany/ Nita Farahany] - neurolaw professor (law and philosophy!).  Might be lots of cases. One count: 1600 cases from 1% sampled.  (Counter-argument: Isn't this just like blaming everything else for what you do wrong?  Isn't it too easy?). Thought experiment: Imagine a deaf person, who can’t hear a child in burning building. You wouldn't hold the deaf person liable for the death of the child. "Emotional inability" would also be damage to a physical structure (as in the ear).
 
 
 
::*David Eagleman, Neuroscientist - Makes critical point: Neuroscience isn't so precise. Like looking at earth from space.  New technologies may show us how experience is written in our brain.  (Back to Descartes: mind is the ghost in the machine.)  Slippery slope, the brain is always involved. Even healthy brain. Blameworthiness might be the wrong question.  Person vs. biology doesn't really make sense anymore.  The "choosey part” of the brain (the homunculus! - Explain: Sapolsky will make fun of this idea.) 36:00 minutes. Funny exchange. '''Self-modification''' comes up. The choosey part is also part of the brain. One system. Raises possibility that all decisions are determined. 
 
 
 
::*Claim from Eagleman: Legal system should drop moral blame.  Adopt utilitarian approach.  Predict recidivism.  Point system exists for sex offenders.  Better than people’s "unguided judgement" (50% accurate). Point system and algorithm: 70%. Currently there is appearance bias for example from juries. [Mention controversies over sentencing algorithms [https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/01/21/137783/algorithms-criminal-justice-ai/].  
 
 
 
::*A point system might be very predictive, but it might involve convicting someone of a future crime.  Would it be? Would that be ok?
 
 
 
::*Nita Frahany - Blame might serve social function of articulating norms. 
 
 
 
:*'''Segment 3:''' Dear Hector / Dear Ivan
 
 
 
::*Bianca Giaever (radio producer who did the story on Hector) - Hector Black, 86.  Hector's backstory - WWII vet, Harvard, joins civil rights movement in Atlanta, moves South, adopts Patricia, a neglected child who lived nearby. Patricia's story (becomes a beautiful and productive person), college, adopts kids -- Patricia is murdered (strangled) and raped by Ivan Simpson. Hector feels retributive impulse. Ivan confesses. Hector considers whether he wishes the death penalty for him, decides no. Hector's statement at sentencing. Writes a letter of forgiveness to the murderer, which starts correspondence. Is it important that Ivan doesn’t forgive himself? Ivan's story - son of schizophrenic mom, adopted, horror.  Ivan abused.  Mom tries to drown Ivan and two other children.
 
 
 
::* Ivan tells the original story of Patricia's murder. Burglary. Drug use. Returns to Patricia’s house. Conversation with Patricia.  Didn’t originally intend to kill her.  Patricia give him food. Gets high on crack. Ivan hears a voice that sometimes comes to him. Commits the murder. Can't make sense of it. Wants death penalty.
 
 
 
::*Do we still blame Ivan Simpson the same way?  Hector tells his story.  Many letters exchanged.  A strange bond.  Hector has self-doubts about his behavior toward Ivan - sending care packages to Ivan???.  (Maybe he's just a weird guy or is he on to something?) '''How do you evaluate Hector’s approach to Ivan?'''
 
 
 
::*'''Does Ivan's story change your view of the kind of threat he poses -- one from choosing evil/failing a responsibility vs. compulsion?’’’
 

Latest revision as of 19:35, 16 April 2025

23. APR 16: Unit 6: The Future of Food

Assigned Work

  • Montgomery, David. Chapter 1: "Good Old Dirt" Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations(pp. 1-9); (9)
  • Diamond, Jarred. "Agriculture's Mixed Blessings" (180-191) (11)

In-class

  • Documentary Reports

Montgomery Chapter 1, "Good Old Dirt"

  • At the start of agriculture 98% of food producers supported a small ruling elite that controlled food distribution. Now only 1% of the population work in agricultural food production.
  • David Montgomery wants to tell a history of soil and of human use of soil. Historical failures, but also interested in sustainability.
  • Major theses: The history of agriculture shows us a pattern of failure that has doomed major civilizations. We can learn from this pattern of failure or repeat it. Avoiding the pattern will require attention to sustainable soil.

Diamond, Ch. 10, "Agriculture's Mixed Blessings"

  • Old "progressivist" view
  • Ants practice agriculture and something like animal husbandry [1]
  • Details about the spread of agriculture - not like other great ideas (hand ax designs). Spread slowly, failed alot.
  • Advantages of hunter gatherer lifestyle
  • Short work week, more leisure - as long as you have enough Mongongo nuts!
  • Better nutrition (in some comparisons)
  • No impact from crop failures
  • But, in recent research, not Diamond’s: hunter-gatherers’ lifestyle was very violent and competitive.
  • 185: Paleopathology and medical anthropology: what you tell from feces, mummies, old bones and cookware Am. Indians who changed to ag.
  • Health evidence from early adoption of agriculture
  • Height (Ice age h-ger’s 5’10”, early ag-er’s 5’ 3”), nutrition, cavities, anemia, tb, syphillis, mortality (5% past 50 v 1%)
  • Mono-crop dependency a risk in early ag.
  • Population concentration promotes diseases and pathogen spread.
  • Low carb, varied nutrients
  • Class structures emerge after agriculture: diff outcomes dep. on class
  • Sexual inequality: agriculture requires labor, women do that, but also produce more humans for labor. They become part of the productivity of the farm. Pregnant every 2 years instead of 4 for h-ger’s.
  • Other differences that sustained agriculture
  • Increased population density made hunt/gather politically vulnerable (10 malnourished farmers can still dominate 1 h-ger.
  • Hunt/gather requires lots of room
  • Agriculture created society that could produce sophisticated art (churches).
  • Grants that agriculture led to lots of great things, but also to large populations, which affects the equation about quality of life.